November 29, 2006

Metformin vs Metformin ER

I'm seeing quite a few posts on BBSes from people who are having problems with metformin because of side effects that could be eliminated if they were taking the extended release form of this drug.

For some reason, many family doctors don't seem to be aware that there is a ER version of this drug that has such benefits. This is probably because metformin is a cheap generic and isn't promoted by herds of beautiful ex-cheerleaders turned drug company salespushers who "educate" doctors about far more expensive--and less effective--newer drugs.

Here are the facts: Metformin (also sold under the brand name Glucophage) comes in a regular version which is taken at meal time, three times a day, and an extended release form (marketed as ER or XR) which is taken once a day.

Almost always, when people report diarrhea or intense heartburn with metformin, they are taking regular version. I experienced the heartburn on the regular drug. It was very disturbing because the pain was localized over my heart and felt just like the description of a heart attack you read in articles. My doctor assured me it was coming from the metformin, but that didn't make it any easier to live with because I kept wondering how, if I were having a real heart attack, I'd know it wasn't a pain from the drug?

The ER version releases the drug more slowly and this usually eliminates the gastrointestinal problems.

The trade off with taking the ER form is that the amount of blood sugar lowering you see might be a bit less than with the regular form as the drug acts in a slower smoother fashion rather than hitting all at once. But if you can't take the regular at all drug because of the side effects, the slight weakening in effect is a reasonable trade off. Plus, you only have to remember to take one dose rather than three. For me, this is not a trivial benefit. Even remembering to take one dose a day is sometimes a challenge!

One important point that my doctor missed when prescribing the ER version of metformin is this: The maximum dose of Metformin ER is LOWER than the maximum dose of regular Metformin.

According to the prescribing information, the maximum dose of the ER is 2000 mg a day. That of the regular is 2550 mg/day. Don't count on a pharmacist to catch the error if your doctor prescribes too much. Mine didn't, but I felt distinctly unwell on the high dose, and a quick look at the prescribing information online showed me the error.

Fortunately, a metformin overdose appears to be surprisingly benign. People have survived suicide attempts where they swallowed as much as 85 grams of the stuff at once. (They did develop lactic acidosis, which can be fatal, but survived.)

The dose at which metformin is supposed to be effective for most people is 1500 mg per day, though I know some smaller people who find a dose of 1000 mg effective. Your body weight will make a difference here, so if you are very large, you may need the maximum dose. In any event, don't conclude that metformin doesn't work until you have tested the dose up to the maximum.

It also takes up to two weeks for the full effect of metformin to become evident. While I will see an increase in my blood sugars if I forget a single day's dose, if I stop the drug for two weeks I see a slow rise in blood sugars through this period. My guess is that this two stage effect is because metformin works both on the liver (where it reduces the release of glucose) and the muscle (where it tricks the tissue into thinking it has just exercised and thus ramps up its burning of glucose). Whatever the explanation, give the drug a few weeks to see what it really does.

Also, many people who experience gas after taking metformin find that cutting way back on their intake of starchy carbohydrates helps eliminate the problem.

Because you only take metformin ER once a day you might wonder what happens if you take it a few hours earlier than usual. Will this cause a dangerous overlap? My experience has been that this isn't a problem. I suspect that the drug does not release evenly over the 24 hours it is supposed to act, and by 20 hours it is pretty much done, so there is no need to be obsessive about taking it at exactly the same time each day.

If I completely space out and don't remember to take the drug for 5 or 6 hours, though, I usually only take half my dose because that way when I take the normal dose at the usual time I don't have too much overlap to worry about.

I have found that there can be significant differences in how the different manufacturers' versions of generic metformin affect my blood sugar. The version I'm taking now, the 750 mg ER pill manufactured by Teva, does not seem to be quite as slow in releasing the drug as other brands are, so I get a much stronger effect during the day, but it wears off by the next morning. Other brands last better through the night, but I don't get anywhere near as good post-prandial numbers at lunch and dinner.

Not so coincidentally, the Teva version of metformin ER comes in a compact, flecked pink pill, while the other versions are pillowy white pills that appear to involve an indigestible matrix in which the drug is embedded. I suspect that the pillowy stuff works a bit better at slowing the digestion of the drug which makes the Teva version sort of a semi ER/semi regular version. That works for me.

I've tried splitting the dose to even out the response, however, I find that if I take Metformin in the evening I end up having to get up to pee at night more than usual. Since this is already a problem for me, I prefer to take it in the morning.

Finally, both Metformin and Metformin ER are currently available for a $4 copay at Wal-mart pharmacies offering the $4 copays on selected generics.

59 comments:

Tom said...

I'm lucky in not having any problems with Metformin. I take 1500mg/day and 1 Actoplus tab. I'm finding your blog very informative and am thankful you are doing this. I have type 2 diagnosed December 2005. A1C then was 12.8 and last month 6.0 Eating sensibly and walking 3 miles EVERY day helps too!

Heather said...

Thanks alot, although i DO NOT have diabetes i am taking Metformin ER because my body makes WAY WAY WAY too much insulin! Metformin is the only drug that reduces the amount of insulin my body makes with out messing up my sugar. Bit Merformin er tears up my stomach if i eat too much sugar i am tired if i eat to much fat it feels like i was punched in the stomach. This is just the beginning of my second week on this medicine and i have noticed i feel better. Thanks for being so informitative!

Heather

Dobbs said...

Anyone. I been having a terrible time with Metformin. I was given 2000 MG to start. Made me fell awful. Stomach cramps.etc. Dr said to start with 500mg once a day, and increase by 500mg a day, each week until able to take 2000mg. Been taking 500mg once a day, and now on 6th day, all syptoms are back. Any thoughts. I've had diabetes for almost a year, and haven't begun to control it. Starting to get worried.Thanks

Jenny said...

Dobbs,

Please try the technique described HERE

It should get you back into control and perhaps make it not necessary to use Metformin.

Anonymous said...

If you are having problems with the Metformin ER (generic) drug like I did, ask your pharmacy for the brand name drug - Glucophage XR. I found that I didn't have the nausea, stomach upset, and GI problems when I switched to the brand name drug. The metformin ER I was using was manufactured by TEVA. I've found other posts online mentioning they've switched to a different generic manufacturer or request the brand name drug. Try it...I bet you will feel a lot better!

Elizabeth said...

Hi Jenny - a question for you. From everything I'm reading, it seems that my doctor made a mistake with my Metformin prescription. I've been prescribed 500 mg of Metformin ER twice a day. I thought the ER version should only be taken once a day. Any thoughts? Thanks so much.

Jenny said...

Elizabeth,

Both ways of dosing make sense. Some of the ER generics are a bit peaky--they hit hard a couple hours after you take them.

If you are having trouble remembering to take the pills and want to take them once a day, call the doctor's office and make sure there isn't some reason they prescribed it this way for you and if it is okay to take it all at once.

Anonymous said...

hi, I was put on metformin for my PCOS at 500mgs a day, well after 3 weeks it seems it has lost its effect, so I started taking 1,000mgs a day... I feel sick... and nasuated...but, I am also taking clomid as well, and armor thyroid... and I have the runs all the time, could it be that 1000 is to much and I should go back to 500?

Anonymous said...

Actualy in my state the walmart price for metformin er is $9.00 a month. The regular is $4.00.

Rob said...

I reluctantly started on 500mg of Metformin ER this morning. I use the word "reluctantly" because I am not a diabetic but I am Insulin Resistant. My fasting blood sugar was 168 this morning. I workout and have a decent diet but the Dr and Dietician suggested the use of Metformin. I am generally in good shape...6'5" 245 pounds. My only real apprehension in taking the drug is the potential side-effect of lactic acidosis. Can exercise add to the possibility of this side effect? I understand this is extremely rare but it still freaked me out. I know I am probably naive and over-reacting but any re-assurances would be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Rob

Jenny said...

Rob,

If your fasting was 168, you are most definitely diabetic. Anything over 125 mg/dl is diabetes and 168 is dangerously high.

Lactic acidosis is extremely rare and probably not a concern for anyone with normal kidneys.

But you need to start reading up on diabetes. Your "healthy diet" if it is a high carbohydrate diet is very unhealthy if it is giving you that high a fasting blood sugar.

For that matter, a post-meal blood sugar of 168 is high enough to damage organs.

Please visit my Blood Sugar 101 site and start learning more about diabetes.

Visit The Alt.support.diabetes "newly diagnosed" page to learn how to lower your blood sugar.

Anonymous said...

I'm a little curious -- my doctor has me taking Metformin 500 mg ER (XR) twice a day. I was just taking 500 once a day in the morning, and by adding another dose 12 hours later -- it seems to keep me more level -- anyone else taking the extended release twice a day? I've lost 35 pounds since January (down from 178) --so the meds with dieting and more exercise seems to be keeping my sugar levels in a healthier range.

Anonymous said...

I have read that you should not drink alcohol while taking metformin. I am taking 1 tablet a day of metformin 500 mg ER. Is there any problem with having an occasional drink?

Jenny said...

Anonymous 9/2/08,

That is the kind of question you should be asking your doctor! Only your doctor knows the details of your situation, your liver test results, and other information needed to give you a safe and accurate reply.

asnet said...

Anyone else here who thinks that generics differ or that brand is different from generics?

asnet

Suzanne said...

Thank you, I am really enjoying reading your blog.

I started regular Metformin last week, 500 mg. It gave me a little diahrrea and nausea, but not too bad. I asked the doctor about getting ER since I had heard it was easier on the system. I started taking it Thursday night (still 500 mg) as I supposed to take it with the evening meal. I got very sick and by Saturday night was having constant diahrrea and terrible nausea, plus I started getting chills and fever of 102. I think I may have had a stomach virus but I'm not entirely sure. I stopped taking the medicine and started taking it again last night. I started having diahrrea constantly and it hasn't let up except when I'm sleeping. But it's not painful at all and there's no nausea, so I'm going to see what happens with tonight's meds. I'm also taking Vasotec for my kidneys. If this doesn't work out, I might go back to the old version that seemed better for me.

I'm supposed to take two pills once my system adjusts...I can't wait :(

Anonymous said...

Thank you for your VERY VERY informative blog about Metformin.
They changed my medication from 2 metformin 500 a day to one XR a day. Since I changed the dose I have gained almost 9 pounds, could that be from the medication change???
Thanks for your help

Jenny said...

Anonymous,

Both doses you cited are low enough that they might not have been enough to have much of an effect. Most people need 1500 mg to 2000 mg to see a true impact.

In any case, Metformin shouldn't promote weight gain. Many of us find it works the other way and the research data suggests that.

Ask your doctor about upping the dose and cut back significantly on your carbohydrate intake and that might help.

Anonymous said...

I just started taking Metformin ER 500mg. I take two at supper time. I don't have an appetite at all, I wonder what I could do about that. I know I suppose to eat six small meals a day and I barely get in three. Help

Lisa said...

I have PCOS and my fasting blood test came back high. I'm overweight too. My DR. placed me on Metformine 500mg twice a day with morning meal and one for dinner. I'm going to pick up my RX later today. I'll keep you updated tomorrow, as I am taking my first pill with tonights dinner.

Lisa said...

I took my first pill las night and I didn't feel well. I sort of felt hot. Not fever like, but I felt like my body was warm. I woke up this morning and had the runs. I just took my 2nd pill with breakfast. I ate a banana and watermelon. Should I est protien? I'm trying to eat better.

Jenny said...

Lisa,

The symptoms you describe are completely normal, and if you are patient they should be gone in a few days.

Re the banana and watermelon. These are fruits very high in sugar. I have never met anyone with Type 2 diabetes who could eat bananas without a high blood sugar spike.

Please try the technique you'll find on this page and test after you eat, lowering the carbohydrates in your food until you get safe blood sugars. It will really help you avoid complications:

How to Get Your Blood Sugar Under Control.

Lisa said...

Thanks Jenny! I guess I have alot to learn as far as eating healthy. Fruit is healthy, but I can't eat it? This is all so new to me. Do you reccomend a website that shows what I should or should not eat having type @ diabetes? Thanks!

Jenny said...

Lisa,

What makes a food healthy for someone with diabetes is how high it raises your blood sugar.

Berries have little carbohydrate in them, so they are much healthier than sugary fruits.

Here is a page that might be helpful:

A Diabetes Diet is Different From A Weight Loss Diet

Anonymous said...

My Doctor just put me on Metformin ER 500mg once a day from regular Metformin 500mg. I have been on the ER for 2 days and my blood sugar has increased when I checked it 4 hours after I ate,, 134 after I ate 2 hours to 152 4 hours after I ate. What does that mean? Is the ER not working?

Jenny said...

Anonymous,

Give the Metformin 2 weeks and if you don't see improvement, call your doctor and discuss the problem with him.

Tamara said...

I've read all the posts and I have a dosage question I don't believe has been discussed yet. I am what is best described as a pre-diabetic, i.e., I have some borderline indicators but nothing officially diagnosed. I've been taking 500mg of Metformin twice daily and at my request, my doctor has switched me to Metformin ER. However my prescription is to take 2 of the 500mg ER tablets once daily. Isn't this double the amount I was taking previously? I thought that the half-life of the drug meant I was getting a somewhat constant 500mg dosage all day long, and it would seem now that I am getting 1000mg all day long.

Jenny said...

The 500 mg dose of Metformin in either form is too low to be effective in most people. The dose you are on now is still a very modest dose. Most people with diabetes don't see much impact until they get up to 1500 mg.

Are you seeing different blood sugar results? Too many side effects? If not, then don't worry about the dose. The non-ER is more hard hitting than the stuff that is spread out through the day and if your goal is to lower post-meal blood sugars, a higher dose might be more effective.

Tamara said...

Thanks for the info Jenny. Since I've yet to be diagnosed with diabetes, I imagine that's why I'm on such a low dose. I also have not been instructed to measure my levels outside of when I get tested at the doctor, so I don't have any idea how the new dosage has affected them, but I'm now considering purchasing a meter to keep track of things.

However, I've been on the 1000mg ER for 48 hours now and it's had some nasty side effects, nausea, headaches, stomach pain and lightheadedness. I am taking the generic form by Caraco Laboratories. At what point should I start to consider switching manufacturers, dosages, or back to a non-ER form? One post cited the adjustment period of being only two days, another up to two weeks....Thank you!

Jenny said...

Tamara,

Give it two week. Many of us find that we don't feel good the first week or two.

The ER form is milder than the other, and usually the stomach symptoms do abate.

Anonymous said...

Great info Jenny, thanks. I am on 1500mg of XR per day for PCOS. I've been taking it for a couple of years without incident, but have read that it can sometimes be more effective to spread out the dose, even with XR. do you know how true this is? also - i started spreading the doses out with the OK from my doc, 750 in the am and 750 in the pm - and it's caused me stomach upset the past couple of days since i started doing this. i didn't change the dose, just spread them out. its kind of annoying to be getting the upset stomach now - but hopefully my body will adjust after a few days?

Jenny said...

Usually splitting the dose decreases the stomach problems, unless perhaps you were taking it at night before and now are taking part before meals? Maybe cutting back on carbs might help. Metformin may block carb digestion and that may be causing the stomach issues.

But it is hard to say.

kp disorganized said...

what are your thoughts on splitting up XR doses in general? if it's 1500 all at once or 750 twice a day .. i read somewhere you saying you tried to split them up.

Jenny said...

My experience with splitting the dose was that taking any Metformin at night seemed to make me have to get up more often to pee, so I stopped doing it and took it first thing in the morning.

But I hear from people who split and people who don't both of whom report that it works. I suspect that after a few weeks when the dose is established in your blood stream it doesn't matter when you take it as long as you are consistent.

Anonymous said...

Lisa, I also have PCOS and it is very different than having diabetes, its ok to eat sugars and other foods, like bananas, which a diabetic would have a hard time eating without their sugar levels soaring. My sister is diabetic and we both take the same doses of metformin but for different reasons... Most people with pcos are taking metformin to control insulin rather tan blood sugar... here is a great site for people with pcos and questions about the medications... http://www.soulcysters.com/
there is great info inside the message board forums....

moonlight said...

I have been taking Metformin 500 mg twice a day for an year and for the last six months I have been using Metformin 500 mg once in the morning. Yesterday my doctor prescribed Metformin ER along with Glimepiride and Pioglitazone. I have reservations about Pioglitazone for the side effects it can cause. It is a class of drug along with Rosiglitazone. Like other thiazolidinediones, pioglitazone can cause fluid retention and peripheral edema. As a result, it may precipitate congestive heart failure (which worsens with fluid overload in those at risk). It may cause anemia. Mild weight gain is common due to increase in subcutaneous adipose tissue. In studies, patients on pioglitazone had a slightly increased proportion of upper respiratory tract infection, sinusitis, headache, myalgia and tooth problems. Kindly advice can I go ahead with these medication

Jenny said...

Moonlight,

I'm not your doctor so I cannot advise you about your medications. What I do is give people information. After that you have to talk to your doctor about your concerns. If your doctor is too busy, perhaps there is a nurse practitioner in his practice you can speak with. If no one is responsive, talk to friends with diabetes and see if someone can recommend a doctor who communicates better.

moonlight said...

hi jenny,
thanks for the reply. yeah you are right. the problem with doctors is they say every drug has its own set of side effects. you got to look at the larger picture. may be they are right. trying to clear my own confusions in my own way.

Krista said...

I've been on metformin er, 1000 mg/day at dinner, for 8 months now and just recently went up to 1500 mg/day because I seemed to lose some of the BG control. In the first 3 months, my A1c dropped from 7% to 6.5% along with 20 lbs weight loss. In the next 5 months, my A1c crept up slightly to 6.8% (weight stable) so my Dr. increased my dosage. I'm having some intestinal problems with the increased dosage but hope it will wain with time. Jenny, do you know the metabolic half life of metformin er? Or in other words, how many hours after taking a dose does your blood levels of the drug peak?

Jenny said...

I'm not certain what the actual metabolic half life is. I have noticed different peaks with different generic versions of Metformin ER.

If I forget to take it, I can see a small difference in my blood sugars after meals with carbs. But it takes about 10 days to completely clear out of my system.

That's me, though. I'm not sure it is a one size fits all thing.

Anonymous said...

My Endocrinologist has me on Metformin HCL ER 750 mg (taking one and one half pills) 2 times a day. The bottle has precautions about breaking or crushing the pills and the pharmacy warned me not to break the pills in half. I am now wodering what the danger is about if I do break them in half..I have been doing this for 2 years now.

Jenny said...

The problem with breaking Metformin ER in half is this:

The Extended Release feature of the drug is caused by it being encapsulated in some kind of matrix that digests slowly as it passes though your digestive tract. If you cut it, it will digest faster, so you no longer get the slower, longer action.

If it is working well for you and you aren't feeling like yo uare getting an overdose (which trust me, you would feel--I've done that) it probably isn't an issue.

Anonymous said...

what are the symptoms of an overdose? Only thing I experience on a regular basis is diahrrea.

Jenny said...

The symptoms of an overdose, for me at least when my doctor mistakenly prescribed one, was feeling extremely unwell throughout my body.

Diarrhea is a standard metformin side effect but one that is often much better with the ER. You probably should stop cutting them and if dose is a problem get your doctor to prescribe the right size dose. Metformin ER comes in various dose sizes.

Also, you can avoid some of the diarrhea with metformin sometimes by cutting back on the carbs as unfermented carbs hitting the gut is one cause of the diarrhea.

Anonymous said...

I have PCOS and am taking 500mg 3x a day on regular metformin. How much should I take of Metformin ER and how often. I no longer have insurance and go to a free clinic that doesn't know anything about this, but will work with my suggestions.
Thanks

Jenny said...

We are not doctors here so we cannot tell you what dose you should be taking. It would depend on many things, including some lab values.

If that was the dose you were prescribed in the past and nothing has changed in your health, you probably are safe continuing with it. That is a very standard dose and many of us find that adding extra metformin after taking 1500 mg does not make a significant change in the effect it has on us.

The Bro said...

HI wow what a great gem I have found here I can see I will spend lots of time reading all the comments.
I am on 1000 mg Metformin and seem to suffer lightheadedness some 'tummy upsets' (read into that what you will!! lol)and headaches.However has anyone else had any more unusual mental symptoms? Im curious because since starting Metformin (almost 3 months now) I am very emotional,nervous and have a lot of anxieties/paranoias.Im normally a happy, mellow person and this is not me.Im also very angry sometimes. Please someone tell me they have had a similar experiences I dont want to think I am going crazy!!My initial count was 19 (yeah bad, bad, bad) but now down to 10 (better but not great I know.)Dr told me come back in 3 months so will go see him soon but he isnt great to 'talk' to so hoping to find more help here.Thanks Janette from Australia

Jenny said...

Janette,

I have observed that Metformin has an impact on female hormones, which may have something to do with the mood changes you are experiencing. It is often prescribed to women with PCOS to lower testosterone, too.

It is also possible that dropping your blood sugar dramatically is causing mood changes for some reason too. Avoid the temptation to take antidepressants for these changes, though, as they have been shown to worsen blood sugar control in some people and often are no better than placebo.

Based on my experience, if you wait it out for another couple months the mood issues should calm down on their own.

If you are in the perimenopausal period, it is also possible that you are starting into menopause which would also cause similar hormonally mediated moods.

moonlight said...

i am on metformin for the last one year and on metformin ER for the past three months. I have been experiencing severe mood swings especially towards the evening. Here in India they prescribe Metformin 500 mg ER along with Pioglitazone 15 mg and Glimepiride 1 mg, in single dose. that is what i am having in the morning. I don't experience any stomach upsets but mood swings are there. I am having my tablet just before i take my breakfast. I wanted to know how much time before i should take a tablet before breakfast?

Jenny said...

Moonlight,

Because your pill is a combination of so many different drugs, you had better ask the doctor who prescribed it about when to take it.

Romaida said...

I started taking Metformin for PCOS a week and a half ago. My dr had me start at 250mg at night since I usually get all the side effects from medication. That wasn't too bad. I did get a little nausea and diarrhea but I could tolerate it. A few days ago, I started taking the 250mg twice a day and boy has it been horrible! I get sooo tired! I start feeling lightheaded, bloated, feeling warm and have had cold sweats and a little weakness. Has anyone else had those side effects? Would taking 500mg at night be okay instead of 250mg twice a day? Thanks!

Jenny said...

Romaida,

Give it a week or two. The side effects often calm down.

If not, ask your doctor about using the ER (extended release) form which many of us find much easier on our digestive tracts.

vesuvana said...

I've just started metformin ER 750mg. Next week I go up to 2 tab a day. The doc prescribed name-brand glucophage XR, but Walmart gave me generic metformin ER by Barr which was still $90! I am worried about the side effects making life miserable during the day. I am a college student so I can't just get up and go to the rest room when I want and there is no privacy anywhere on campus, if I get gas, etc. So I have 2 q's:

Can I take something like phazyme or gas-x along with metformin?

Can I take it at noon with my lunch meal (instead of at dinner as prescribed)? I figure by the time the medicine hits my system and starts giving my any side effects, I'll be getting done with my school day instead of being incapacitated all day long.
tia

Jenny said...

That's an awful lot for the Metformin. Call around until you find a supermarket or pharmacy that offers cheap generics. The metformin XR is a generic.

You can take it any time of day, just leave 24 hours between doses. I take mine around 2 PM lately. It is then strongest at dinner and has a bit more impact on fasting blood sugar.

The gas etc should calm down after a few weeks, it often does.

vesuvana said...

Thank you. So far the worst side effect is the terrible heartburn. Is it ok to take pepto bismol or pepcid while taking metformin?

Jenny said...

I have experienced the heartburn associated with Metformin. You can take any antacid, but in my experience the best solution was to take Prilosec for no more than a week.

However, if pepto-bismol works, go for it. It won't affect the action of the drug.

BEACHWALKER1 said...

My doc started me on 1000mg of regular Metformin in July. My A1C was 6.2 & AM readings in the 120's. Through the years since a surgery that took half of my pancreas, my sugar has been creeping up so it was time to do something. At the end of 2 weeks, I started to get readings in the 115 area, then it started going UP. I am now waking up with readings of 140 & higher. When I saw the doc in early September, he said wait till December & we'll see. WHY WOULD SUGAR GO UP RIGHT AFTER STARTING METFORIM? Any thoughts are greatly appreciated. This is a great site, by the way.

Jenny said...

I don't know why your blood sugar would rise after taking metformin--that isn't a reaction I have ever heard of.

Is your doctor an endocrinologist? If not, find one, because family doctors are woefully ignorant about anything having to do with diabetes and with half a pancreas your situation is more complex than a that of a Type 2. And more likely to need insulin.

BEACHWALKER1 said...

Thank you for the reply, Jenny. Yes, the doc is an endocrinologist. Your rely didn't surprise me as I could find nothing about circumstances where the levels would rise. I suppose I wondered if it was indicative of Metformin being the wrong type drug & triggering a reverse reaction. Oh, forgot to mention I am not overweight, walk at least 6 miles a day & use weights: so lack of exercise shouldn't be an issue. Anyway, thanks again.