tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post18536710047112397..comments2023-10-23T11:24:13.532-04:00Comments on Diabetes Update: How Much Protein Do You Need on A Lower Carb Diet?Jennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-13918448344295256392008-02-23T19:26:00.000-05:002008-02-23T19:26:00.000-05:00Jpatti,If you check out the assumptions I used whe...Jpatti,<BR/><BR/>If you check out the assumptions I used when constructing the calculator, you'll see I threw in an extra 10 grams as a safety measure.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-31228922213774413812008-02-23T14:48:00.000-05:002008-02-23T14:48:00.000-05:00I forgot to add... this calculator thinks I need a...I forgot to add... this calculator thinks I need around 100g protein per day; the calculations in the PP book come out to around 90g for me. So there isn't a lot of difference between the two. <BR/><BR/>I generally aim at about 30g protein/meal... the exception being if I have yogurt for breakfast or lunch, it's only about 15g, so I try to have more protein at dinner that day.<BR/><BR/>This is Jackie Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05045742074108609096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-4536909152513679302008-02-23T14:40:00.000-05:002008-02-23T14:40:00.000-05:00I think Bernstein is wrong about dietary fat not c...I think Bernstein is wrong about dietary fat not converting to glucose. <BR/><BR/>Fat can only theoretically convert at a maximum of 10%. I eat around 1400 kcal at around 60% fat, which means around 30g fat per meal. The most that would convert to is 3g glucose. 3g glucose is going to make such a small difference in bg that it's going to be within the margin of error of most meters.<BR/><BR/>Jackie Pattihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05045742074108609096noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-28983711323214655602008-01-14T15:39:00.000-05:002008-01-14T15:39:00.000-05:00To r.francis: Eades is talking about 200 grams of ...To r.francis: Eades is talking about 200 grams of glucose. Should have been clearer about what I was stating.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-79300515475686932812008-01-14T09:37:00.000-05:002008-01-14T09:37:00.000-05:00The thing none of the other books mentioned which ...The thing none of the other books mentioned which I found to be the most helpful was the finding that the glucose requirement drops to 40 g after a few weeks. I don't have my copy of Protein Powder any more, having lent it to someone who didn't return it, so I can't check what they recommend, but my memory was that they implied you should keep eating at the initial high protein level.<BR/><BR/>Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-72574085656167527682008-01-14T09:00:00.000-05:002008-01-14T09:00:00.000-05:00It doesn't come from his book. It comes from one o...It doesn't come from his book. It comes from one of his posts on his blog. I was just referencing his book in case someone was not familiar with him.<BR/><BR/>Here is the post in case anyone is interested:<BR/>http://www.proteinpower.com/drmike<BR/>/ketones-and-ketosis/metabolism-<BR/>and-ketosis/<BR/><BR/>He says in the blog that once ketosis kicks in your TOTAL glucose requirement drops to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-56389177130456196632008-01-14T03:27:00.000-05:002008-01-14T03:27:00.000-05:00I'm not sure where that assertion about Eades come...I'm not sure where that assertion about Eades comes from, anyway. Protein Power, for example, would recommend 200g of protein... for an athlete who has a lean mass of 222 lbs. For someone like me (moderately active, perhaps 160 lbs of lean mass -- sadly 230 lbs total), it's more like 96g, which is actually a few grams under what the Lyle computation gives for me. So unless he went radically Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228447502575559365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-39863999473044044292008-01-13T21:29:00.000-05:002008-01-13T21:29:00.000-05:00Thanks for your answer Jenny. Lyle seems to have m...Thanks for your answer Jenny. Lyle seems to have more facts at hand than some of the sources I sited. Probably due to the need to keep their books somewhat simplified I assume.<BR/><BR/>In defense of Dr. Eades, I believe somewhere on his website, he has mentioned that the publishers left out his sources by design. <BR/><BR/>The statement about TAGs and protein being used to yield glucose jives Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-80027423700600887222008-01-13T21:00:00.000-05:002008-01-13T21:00:00.000-05:00MAC,I just hauled out my copy of The Ketogenic Die...MAC,<BR/><BR/>I just hauled out my copy of The Ketogenic Diet, what Lyle reports, based on studies is that the brain actually can run partially on ketones and that over time it increases the amount of ketones it burns. <BR/><BR/>He state, "IN a non-ketotic state, the brain utilitzes roughly 100 grams of glucose per day." And this is footnoted to Cahill, G, "Starvation in man" in NEJM 1970, 282-:Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-45663668620943615072008-01-13T20:00:00.000-05:002008-01-13T20:00:00.000-05:00In "Life w/o Bread", Allan and Lutz say that your ...In "Life w/o Bread", Allan and Lutz say that your brain uses 150-200 grams of ENERGY daily mainly from glucose. Dr. Eades of Protein Power says your TOTAL daily need is 200 grams for all metabolic processes. What is Lyle's source for 100 grams of glucose daily? These figures I would assume are prior to be in a ketonogenic state.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-23386839914900309172008-01-13T15:58:00.000-05:002008-01-13T15:58:00.000-05:00Jenny,Thanks for the calculator page. Much, much ...Jenny,<BR/><BR/>Thanks for the calculator page. Much, much easier, even for a math-head like me, to deal with. As one would expect, the results are pretty much what I'd worked out, but I prefer a machine to do it. :)<BR/><BR/>My protein need's also about 100g, and I have to tell you, I often find it difficult to meet it. I have three eggs for breakfast; that's about 18g. Occasionally for a Russhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15228447502575559365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-5537306136540429632008-01-13T11:10:00.000-05:002008-01-13T11:10:00.000-05:00Sphynx, I cite Lyle's book, "The Ketogenic Diet." ...Sphynx, <BR/><BR/>I cite Lyle's book, "The Ketogenic Diet." I bought mine back when it was first published in the late 90s . It cites dietary research he collected in the mid 90s, and has not been updated as far as I know. <BR/><BR/>Much of the book discusses cyclical ketogenic dieting which is something of interest only to body builders. So because of high cost, and the book's age, I would Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-80543143642967691762008-01-13T10:44:00.000-05:002008-01-13T10:44:00.000-05:00I've been hearing Lyle MacDonald's name bruited on...I've been hearing Lyle MacDonald's name bruited on USENET for years. You praise 'his book'. I see <A HREF="http://www.amazon.com/s?ie=UTF8&tag=mozilla-20&index=blended&link%5Fcode=qs&field-keywords=Lyle%20Macdonald&sourceid=Mozilla-search" REL="nofollow"> three books</A> by him on Amazon. Each runs $40 to $50. Before I rush out and buy all three - which one do you mean?Red Sphynxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11100740275894284607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-86618203860554578582008-01-12T08:58:00.000-05:002008-01-12T08:58:00.000-05:00Adam,I have seen varying estimates of how much fat...Adam,<BR/><BR/>I have seen varying estimates of how much fat can be turned into glucose ranging from 10% to 0%. Since Dr. Bernstein claims that <I>dietary </I> fat cannot be converted to glucose, based on his many years of observing the effects of small amounts of food on people with no insulin production at all, I tend to believe him.<BR/><BR/>I'm not 100% certain that the very high protein Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-23422729387693522992008-01-12T00:31:00.000-05:002008-01-12T00:31:00.000-05:00Jenny -Cool new calculator. Thanks!The body can ma...Jenny -<BR/><BR/>Cool new calculator. Thanks!<BR/><BR/>The body can make glucose from protein <I>or fat</I>. Each molecule of triglyceride fat is broken into three acids and a glycerol. The body can turn glycerol into glucose. By my calcs, that means that every 10g of fat yields 2g of glucose. If you're metabolizing 1500 kcal/d and 60% of your energy is from fat (9kcal/g) then that's 100g/d Red Sphynxhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11100740275894284607noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-4359372652575306312008-01-12T00:16:00.000-05:002008-01-12T00:16:00.000-05:00Ah, ok... so that explains why I may have had hypo...Ah, ok... so that explains why I may have had hypoglycemia and hunger yesterday without pro.<BR/><BR/>When I discovered how much protein affected my blood sugar, I started cutting back more and more, and yesterday I took in both very low carb and low protein (40 g) by the end of the night I was shaking a lot and fantasizing about meat LOL (I don't crave carbs when I'm low on sugar, I crave ItsTheWooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09914774791335408323noreply@blogger.com