tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post7956024141045763905..comments2023-10-23T11:24:13.532-04:00Comments on Diabetes Update: Let's Not Twist History To Support Our BeliefsJennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comBlogger25125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-80261678942897456192009-09-30T10:10:00.362-04:002009-09-30T10:10:00.362-04:00I hadn't heard of the Toba incident before. Th...I hadn't heard of the Toba incident before. The Wikipedia article is interesting, but it seems to be mostly speculation. Not all of the geologic information supports it, and at least one settlement in India seemed to survive it. Wikipedia doesn't address this in the article, but it seems that such a worldwide catastrophe would have caused a similar proportion of deaths in other predatory Stargazeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09566854038842118222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-48349715213319353862009-09-29T18:09:33.823-04:002009-09-29T18:09:33.823-04:00@Stargazey
Sorry, I'm not a native english sp...@Stargazey<br /><br />Sorry, I'm not a native english speaker/writer...<br /><br />The theory is based on analysis on the genetic diversty of human DNA and the DNA of the parasites/microorganism we host.<br /><br />From actual analysis it looks like we humans have a relatively low genetic variation among individuals all over the world. Which would indicate that we all are descendants from a conguitoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07780604808983521434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-4305859217574326352009-09-29T13:50:43.377-04:002009-09-29T13:50:43.377-04:00Hey, don't throw the baby out with the bathwat...Hey, don't throw the baby out with the bathwater!<br /><br />I started principally by low carbing to control my errant BG, but then arose the question of what to replace the missing carbs with.<br /><br />I've tinkered with my diet considerably over the last five years or so, and have gone by RESULTS.<br /><br />The correct balance of macronutrients which has not only improved my BG but Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-4178611500097418732009-09-29T11:22:07.625-04:002009-09-29T11:22:07.625-04:00Stargazey - I had a hard time following Conguito t...Stargazey - I had a hard time following Conguito too.Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625141356011775231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-86297751333251287932009-09-28T14:46:58.669-04:002009-09-28T14:46:58.669-04:00Conguitos, you said From actual knowledge from hum...Conguitos, you said <i>From actual knowledge from human DNA data, it looks like that your assesment is incorrect and that around 100'000 to 60'000 years ago, probably there were less than 20'000 humans alive, because the Toba eruption event.</i><br /><br />I'm neither anthropologist nor historian. Could you please enlighten me regarding the means of determining population from DNAStargazeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09566854038842118222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-58294689914780858402009-09-26T18:05:03.076-04:002009-09-26T18:05:03.076-04:00Hello Jenny,
I've read your opinion on the lo...Hello Jenny,<br /><br />I've read your opinion on the low carbing issue. As I understand, you're actually not active on the fields you studied, correct me if I'm wrong.<br /><br />I have just some criticism of your article. Early on you state that:<br /><br />"...the fallacy here is that we know very little about real Paleolithic life", <br /><br />just to put the following conguitoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07780604808983521434noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-78814495621282548722009-09-25T17:16:27.113-04:002009-09-25T17:16:27.113-04:00To comment on the second assumption addressed in t...To comment on the second assumption addressed in this post (heart disease), when I was growing up, the 35-45 age range was considered "prime heart attack years" for men. The men affected at this age would suffer a single, massive heart attack (possibly we call it something else now, but basically the heart completely stopped), and with emergency services and diagnostics what they were (Brenda Bellhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05687718956610704894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-78777209603021038192009-09-25T11:36:14.765-04:002009-09-25T11:36:14.765-04:00ItsTheWooo - It is actually rather obvious that yo...ItsTheWooo - It is actually rather obvious that you do not hate to disagree. :-) You have very strong and personal opinions that you seem quite passionate about.<br /><br />Let me clarify my post. By "fanatical 'middle of the road' POV" I mean to say those with extreme, perhaps unreasonable, enthusiasm for their position, in this case a more "normal" diet and Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625141356011775231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-27933263581636164382009-09-25T09:35:45.960-04:002009-09-25T09:35:45.960-04:00Wooo--I'll have to disagree with you on a coup...Wooo--I'll have to disagree with you on a couple of points.<br /><br />1. I live with a card-carrying Libertarian and the paleo guys don't remind me of him at all. So the libertarian label may depend upon how you define the word.<br /><br />2. I've only read a few paleo blogs, but I didn't come away with the impression that those particular ones were anti-women. They might have Stargazeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09566854038842118222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-15207156491139530172009-09-24T23:00:31.557-04:002009-09-24T23:00:31.557-04:00Helen – yes, most “paleo living” is entwined with ...Helen – yes, most “paleo living” is entwined with misogyny (and extreme antisocial/antigovernment ideologies like libertarianism). It’s a very conservative white male kind of thing, but not your grandpa’s conservative white male… more like the starbucks internet boom aspbergers geek modern form. It’s basically a fantasy for a lot of guys. The irony is most of these guys don’t have the courage to ItsTheWooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057537399918684119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-85443520384309613312009-09-24T18:04:14.380-04:002009-09-24T18:04:14.380-04:00As a non-diabetic low-carber, I find low carb work...As a non-diabetic low-carber, I find low carb works well to control my weight. The current obesity epidemic does not rely on speculative history, but is well founded in statistics. And some of the anthropologocal studies such as those by Weston Price demand serious consideration. While I agree that the Paleo enthusiasts go overboard, relegating low carb only to diabetics is swinging too far innielsohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12588784582846075772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-51040385267129757652009-09-24T14:36:03.256-04:002009-09-24T14:36:03.256-04:00Excellent post! I follow a low-carb, sugar-free, P...Excellent post! I follow a low-carb, sugar-free, PUFA-free diet because it works for me and keeps my BG under control without medications - and I feel excellent on it. But I hope that I would never be considered a zealot on the subject. I think it has tons of benefits for most folks compared to the SAD, and tons of processed foods. Surely eating "real" food has to be better for most Debbie Cusickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05231168695763908917noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-37714227847170127382009-09-24T12:27:52.041-04:002009-09-24T12:27:52.041-04:00One thing to keep in mind, folks: Just as there i...One thing to keep in mind, folks: Just as there is a fanatical vegetarian/vegan POV and fanatical low-carb/"Peleo" POV, there is also a fanatical "middle of the road" POV.<br /><br />Any group that is significantly unlike our group can easily be labeled weird or odd or fanatical. Just because we belong to a group that is recognized as "normal" doesn't exclude Kylehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17625141356011775231noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-223773508778179452009-09-23T22:28:57.067-04:002009-09-23T22:28:57.067-04:00*Thank you.* I'm new to the Paleo/ low-carb/ ...*Thank you.* I'm new to the Paleo/ low-carb/ WAPF (not to equate them) blogging communities, and have been bristling, based on my pretty basic anthropological education, against common assumptions about what Paleo people ate, assumptions that seem pretty retro to me.<br /><br />In my 2002 anthropology class, hunter-gatherers were no longer called that, but rather foraging-hunting societies, Mavishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06994797939492751433noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-59272097050980378332009-09-23T11:07:48.590-04:002009-09-23T11:07:48.590-04:00I have no doubt that the insulin resistant diabeti...I have no doubt that the insulin resistant diabetic should limit carbohydrate intake to amounts that do not spike blood sugar to harmful levels or cause circulating insulin levels to go above-normal after food. At the same time the 'evangelical' zeal of some low carbers to blame carb consumption for all that ails humanity makes me laugh out loud. Some of these low carbers are no less &#Rad Warrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02822478962792020689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-39003454713120735142009-09-23T10:01:31.398-04:002009-09-23T10:01:31.398-04:00Thanks, Wooo and Jenny, for reminding me of the re...Thanks, Wooo and Jenny, for reminding me of the religious and group bonding aspects of eating in a particular way.<br /><br />I do low-carb because it works, not because it makes me feel superior to other people or because it makes me part of an exclusive group with special knowledge. I have looked with amazement at people who follow fruitarianism to the point of losing their livers, or Stargazeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09566854038842118222noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-42340721418299689912009-09-23T08:01:44.607-04:002009-09-23T08:01:44.607-04:00ItsTheWoo,
Long term food restriction definitely ...ItsTheWoo,<br /><br />Long term food restriction definitely makes people mentally ill as demonstrated by Ancel Keyes WWII starvation experiment--a decent piece of work, unlike his cholesterol campaign.<br /><br />I have seen the same effect occur less dramatically in a religious cult where a limited diet produced a combination of pleasing psychic effects combined with a more disturbing ones. <br Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-28946121822020542662009-09-23T07:50:21.051-04:002009-09-23T07:50:21.051-04:00Folks,
I have posted everything on the topic subm...Folks,<br /><br />I have posted everything on the topic submitted to date, but I ask you take your global warming debate elsewhere as it isn't relevant to the topic of this thread.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-23975034740458333182009-09-23T06:08:17.798-04:002009-09-23T06:08:17.798-04:00RLL,
So what if someone is an eminent scientist -...RLL,<br /><br />So what if someone is an eminent scientist - if the facts do match their assertions or the science is still unclear, then it does not matter how eminent they are.<br /><br />Gary Taubes, for one, has made a career of writing books about the stupidity of eminent scientists in fields as diverse as nutrition and physics.<br /><br />As I sit here in Australia watching the Antarctic Terry Hilsberghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18194973305081483505noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-2232348683614438712009-09-23T03:49:15.075-04:002009-09-23T03:49:15.075-04:00Jenny I am seriously cheering you on right now.
Y...Jenny I am seriously cheering you on right now.<br /><br />You have, in a blog post ten times more eloquent than anything I could write, basically summed up all the reasons why the low carb community needs to get a reality check. <br /><br />Ahhhh how cathartic it is to vicariously revel in such pure PwnAge.<br /><br /><br />If I were going to take to the task of bashing "paleos", ItsTheWooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057537399918684119noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-22097392374536552102009-09-22T17:20:09.916-04:002009-09-22T17:20:09.916-04:00His words are accurately described by the word &qu...His words are accurately described by the word "hogwash", probably some other dismissive word. Specifically he made the comment about David Montgomery, an eminent scientist. And no I do not believe that sensible people can think that the earth's population could all eat a meat based diet. There is not enough arable land.RLLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850927095383579725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-12210009798984371202009-09-22T17:08:22.763-04:002009-09-22T17:08:22.763-04:00RLL,
I think you are overreaching in your referen...RLL,<br /><br />I think you are overreaching in your reference to that other blog (I read the same). My interpretation of that blog writer's position isn't that he thinks there are no environmental threats in the world (or are hogwash), only that he isn't convinced of the unproven theories of human-caused global warming/climate change.<br /><br />You are right that people are still Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17033443643442246531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-78866021237727055112009-09-22T16:43:33.156-04:002009-09-22T16:43:33.156-04:00An excellent post. It reminds me strongly of an ar...An excellent post. It reminds me strongly of an article - around 30 years ago? published in one of his collections - by the late Isaac Asimov that argued strongly and cogently against those who extolled some mythical, perfect past as the answer to all our modern ills,and completely ignored the rampant typhoid, cholera, appalling infant mortality rates extant then, etc. Anyone now in favour of chmeeehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12512459282522875583noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-49748531778864255872009-09-22T14:17:38.733-04:002009-09-22T14:17:38.733-04:00I suggested on a popular physician's blog that...I suggested on a popular physician's blog that the world was having trouble feeding it human population even with a grain diet, and that increased population, and environmental degradation were also threats. <br /><br />I was assured by the blog owner that the environmental threats were all hogwash, and by site posters that it really would be easy to feed the whole planet a meat based diet. RLLhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13850927095383579725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-84101095615836339812009-09-22T12:59:31.114-04:002009-09-22T12:59:31.114-04:00Thanks for this, Jenny. While the arguments for Pa...Thanks for this, Jenny. While the arguments for Paleo eating sound intuitively correct, so does the popular statement that "fat makes you fat."<br /><br />Often, common sense deductions will guide us into healthy eating patterns. But as you have shown, sometimes more data will reveal that our common sense is based on faulty assumptions. That's why, in science, we can't just relyStargazeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09566854038842118222noreply@blogger.com