tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post4526328788439189129..comments2023-10-23T11:24:13.532-04:00Comments on Diabetes Update: Saying Something Over And Over Doesn't Make It TrueJennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-74380021250954228502011-11-21T16:09:32.346-05:002011-11-21T16:09:32.346-05:00You certainly are right about the need for a sense...You certainly are right about the need for a sense of humor when approaching any web-based diet discussion!Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-73344160089426333962011-11-21T16:04:33.559-05:002011-11-21T16:04:33.559-05:00Have you read "where good ideas come from?&qu...Have you read "where good ideas come from?" by Steven Johnson? It talks about the benefits of having cities, etc. which you mention. Although the theory of geographical luck and the inequality of grain is a very powerful thesis, I too have a lot of problems with 'paleo.' I loved the book how fire made us human, but in Micheal Pollan's book, the Omnivore's Dilemma, he Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05955418159473734203noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-40578726556519140152010-07-24T18:28:19.435-04:002010-07-24T18:28:19.435-04:00@Danny Jimmy,
I'm a gender studies major and ...@Danny Jimmy,<br /><br />I'm a gender studies major and frankly I think there is no evidence to claim that gender differences are culture derived only. There exists a psychobiological component and it's strong. <br /><br />Modern sosiology professors still need to cite Margaret Mead and her never-replicated studies of a few cultures that had inverse gender roles to justify their position Neonomidehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00961709424324961929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-28376283246001096102009-12-30T22:46:28.646-05:002009-12-30T22:46:28.646-05:00Danny Jimmy said:
"... there's no such a ...Danny Jimmy said:<br />"... there's no such a thing as gender-specific behaviors, they're created and invented bu society and culture."<br /><br />That is an amazingly broad generalization, made even more striking by the fact that it follows Jenny's post which cited gender differences in early societies. If the gender differences are invented, then why are they so widespreadjimpurdy1943@yahoo.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974301744118775363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-75043804365150052342009-12-30T21:01:40.330-05:002009-12-30T21:01:40.330-05:00The research on phthalate is pretty bad as there&#...The research on phthalate is pretty bad as there's no such a thing as gender-specific behaviors, they're created and invented bu society and culture. <br /><br />Truck or soldiers toys are just an invention, a social construction that has no link with physiology or development.<br /><br />Humans are too complex to be divided into typical superficial binary of western thinking, let alone Danny Jimmyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12136743006404886195noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-45739700013574163542009-12-10T23:07:17.578-05:002009-12-10T23:07:17.578-05:00LynMarie Daye - Yes I remember that as well about ...LynMarie Daye - Yes I remember that as well about the bone demineralization in the young female mummy. Perhaps partly due to lack of calcium or magnesium. Or perhaps due to lack of alkaline vegetation to buffer the net acid load of their carnivorous diet.<br /><br />And of course even Steffanson himself commented on how badly they aged.<br /><br />I find myself leaning more and more toward the S Jeff Consigliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11741635715928361614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-2193121973458001472009-12-03T01:58:55.413-05:002009-12-03T01:58:55.413-05:00Jenny,
Demand nursing may stop ovulation but it i...Jenny,<br /> Demand nursing may stop ovulation but it is a far thing to say that women practice(d) demand nursing to intentionally limit family size.Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-66470684202878186692009-12-01T12:08:56.664-05:002009-12-01T12:08:56.664-05:00We domesticated dogs.
Cats domesticated us! ;-)We domesticated dogs.<br />Cats domesticated us! ;-)Nigel Kinbrumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03368973941328529619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-17976238282126371232009-11-29T13:23:57.194-05:002009-11-29T13:23:57.194-05:00Dogs became domesticated in about 15,000 BC; cats ...Dogs became domesticated in about 15,000 BC; cats did not become domesticated until the adoption of agriculture (common estimates are about 7500 BC, though skeletal remains of a cat were found with human remains that date to about 9500 BC). Cats became domesticated primarily because of their rodent hunting skills, which was useful with the production and accumulation of grain. Unlike dogs, Annahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17033443643442246531noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-45107647226192472412009-11-29T12:05:31.551-05:002009-11-29T12:05:31.551-05:00Jim,
Read the book. It is not one I can do justic...Jim,<br /><br />Read the book. It is not one I can do justice to in a few paragraphs. <br />He addresses your points.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-25946251792376887132009-11-29T11:36:30.228-05:002009-11-29T11:36:30.228-05:00"Wrangham's book's very-well document..."Wrangham's book's very-well documented thesis is that it was the very early discovery of cooking by pre-human hominids which allowed humans to develop the metabolically expensive human brain. His main point is that cooking, because it breaks down starches and proteins, made redundant the long, metabolically expensive digestive tracts found among pre-human hominids and allowed them jimpurdy1943@yahoo.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12974301744118775363noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-83594890927521734482009-11-22T19:28:05.096-05:002009-11-22T19:28:05.096-05:00Coach Jeff - I've had that book (Mummies, Dise...Coach Jeff - I've had that book (Mummies, Disease and Ancient Cultures) for several years. The point that stood out to me most, as a woman, is the extensive bone demineralization that was found in the female Alaskan mummies. One mummy was determined to be in her mid-20's at the time of death, yet had significant bone mineral loss. I have no doubt that Inuit on their traditional diets LynMarie Dayehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08486294119556517760noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-49872618179229636332009-11-21T17:04:34.761-05:002009-11-21T17:04:34.761-05:00Going back and reviewing some of the paleo web sit...Going back and reviewing some of the paleo web sites, it is clear to see that most cherry pick their science facts about caveman diet. And live to the word of other science, as long as facts don't get in the way of a good post or blog. But Dr. Harris is a good one to read- I love his post about their being no single magic food- rates right up their with your stuff. Still once I stopped eatingmichael plunketthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18028277816327625622noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-9158732419866320292009-11-21T13:32:10.699-05:002009-11-21T13:32:10.699-05:00Richard,
Your concept sounds very reasonable. But...Richard,<br /><br />Your concept sounds very reasonable. But we can't read too much into ethnic background.<br /><br />My own mother can eat anything and get a perfectly normal blood sugar. So can my son. I can't, nor can my daughter. <br /><br />A single point mutation on an important gene can make a big difference in how you process glucose. And the mutation can be acquired, not just Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-83878388440292119382009-11-21T13:13:40.284-05:002009-11-21T13:13:40.284-05:00Jenny:
I think the central theme of what I get ou...Jenny:<br /><br />I think the central theme of what I get out of your post has good merit.<br /><br />What was once a very valid, scientifically based hypothesis, i.e., "Paleo," as espoused by Cordain and other is being co-opted by many to provide a foundation for their specific dietary prescriptions.<br /><br />My paleo approach is different. I have repeatedly written that "paleo&Richard Nikoleyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08479556896882145179noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-20444887028859947532009-11-21T11:27:13.141-05:002009-11-21T11:27:13.141-05:00"Primitive times are lyrical, ancient times e..."Primitive times are lyrical, ancient times epical, modern times dramatic." (Victor Hugo, 1827).https://www.blogger.com/profile/09917531397118353422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-73607336456433876342009-11-21T08:26:04.450-05:002009-11-21T08:26:04.450-05:00Great post...regarding the notion that Arctic dwel...Great post...regarding the notion that Arctic dwellers enjoyed perfect health due to an all-meat diet...well they've actually studies Arctic mummies (Yes, there is such a thing) and find that they DID have some health issues on their very low-carb diets.<br /><br />http://books.google.com/books?hl=en&lr=&id=5a7TP57S1GkC&oi=fnd&pg=PA138&dq=eskimo+mummies&ots=W9RV09Uw68&Jeff Consigliohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11741635715928361614noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-1546999823221197682009-11-20T22:26:56.539-05:002009-11-20T22:26:56.539-05:00Charles R. wrote:
"And south Asia has one o...Charles R. wrote: <br /><br />"<i>And south Asia has one of the highest heart disease rates of anywhere in the world, despite their vegetarianism.</i>"<br /><br />I don't think vegetarianism or predominance of plant based food is the reason why south <br />Asia has higher incidence of heart disease or diabetes. It is just that natural selection did not operate there as effectively Rad Warrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02822478962792020689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-90482510419814743302009-11-20T21:55:16.681-05:002009-11-20T21:55:16.681-05:00Well-done, especially your core argument about the...Well-done, especially your core argument about the Paleo fallacies, and the need to focus on current knowledge. Thanks!Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05954898680774380655noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-92103402488321412972009-11-20T21:23:23.741-05:002009-11-20T21:23:23.741-05:00@Ukay - The Hadza are one of the most interesting ...@Ukay - The Hadza are one of the most interesting pre-agricultural tribes I studied in college. Majorie Shostak's ethnological expose of the fictionally named Hadza woman Nisa is one of the best reads in anthropology. <br /><br />She co-authored "The Paleolithic Prescription" with Boyd Eaton which presents a very different view of a paleo diet.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03951011643226036936noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-17856067369458886192009-11-20T17:12:08.776-05:002009-11-20T17:12:08.776-05:00Well yes, it's possible to live mainly on star...Well yes, it's possible to live mainly on starchy carbohydrates and plant foods, but that doesn't mean that's the optimum diet.<br /><br />All that evolution needs you to do is get to child-bearing age and have children. After that, it doesn't really matter if you have heart disease, diabetes or whatever.<br /><br />And south Asia has one of the highest heart disease rates of Charles R.https://www.blogger.com/profile/09139496312163674161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-20694670326961587602009-11-20T13:37:51.655-05:002009-11-20T13:37:51.655-05:00Interesting to mention the Hadza of Tanzania Great...Interesting to mention the Hadza of Tanzania Great Rift Valley.<br /><br />The December 2009 National Geographic has a piece on the Hadza that give a very different picture of hunter gathering than you get at the paleo sites, especially the ketogenic ones. Very eye-opening.<br /><br />The Hadza typically spend 4 to 6 hours daily obtaining food, the men hunt a wide variety of game, the women Ukay Bukithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18101605472434733670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-26673797627141013972009-11-20T11:20:19.917-05:002009-11-20T11:20:19.917-05:00Thanks Jenny for this nice article. I agree with y...Thanks Jenny for this nice article. I agree with you on most of what you say but have to slightly disagree with the following: " <i> No matter what Paleo peoples ate, those of us who descend from European or Asian stock living in the </i> <b>Temperate Zone </b> <i> can be sure our ancestors' bodies adapted very well to agricultural diets. We are all descended from people who flourished Rad Warrierhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02822478962792020689noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-27873051306742953292009-11-20T08:56:17.400-05:002009-11-20T08:56:17.400-05:00Each human hunter gatherer culture studied has its...Each human hunter gatherer culture studied has its own cultural peculiarities. You can't say "ALL" in reference to habits. Many expose a second twin to die, some don't, for example, because it is so hard to successfully nurse even one child living that way. <br /><br />The only voluntary way of limiting population I've ever read about in such cultures is demand nursing. Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-45594380506138072342009-11-19T23:35:19.314-05:002009-11-19T23:35:19.314-05:00The claim that hunters-gatherers intentionally lim...The claim that hunters-gatherers intentionally limited populatize size is popular but is there any actual evidence for it?<br />It seems biologically peculiar. Do animals do it?> And how does it actually mean?<br />Contience or infanticide?Gyanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09941686166886986037noreply@blogger.com