tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post1829398274926722575..comments2023-10-23T11:24:13.532-04:00Comments on Diabetes Update: Metabolic Advantage of Ketogenic Diets Debunked? An Intriguing Study You Will Want to ReadJennyhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-58154799389454512832009-06-24T14:02:31.016-04:002009-06-24T14:02:31.016-04:00Dunno about that, saturated fat *in the presence o...Dunno about that, saturated fat *in the presence of excess carbs* probably does increase IR but strangely it seems to have reduced mine, looking both at trigs/HDL ratio (it put the HDL up at the expense of LDL) and general BG stability over time it seems to work better *for me* than the much lauded "Heart Healthy" Omega 6 oils (I'm not the only one)Trinkwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-22042450506970515112009-06-20T06:31:46.109-04:002009-06-20T06:31:46.109-04:00Gretchen,
The extreme rise in IR after fasting in...Gretchen,<br /><br />The extreme rise in IR after fasting in normal people has nothing to do with saturated fat. It appears to be an adaptation to promote the preferential use of carbohydrate to refill glycogen.Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-47710649165942749802009-06-19T21:20:57.430-04:002009-06-19T21:20:57.430-04:00Saturated fat increases IR, and most people on LC ...Saturated fat increases IR, and most people on LC diets eat a lot of saturated fat.Gretchennoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-52863843903648840482009-06-19T18:56:48.097-04:002009-06-19T18:56:48.097-04:00Stephen,
That new study is timely. I wish they ha...Stephen,<br /><br />That new study is timely. I wish they had included the ketone status of the LC dieters, because so many of the long term studies suggest people aren't really eating LC diets by six months in. <br /><br />That matches what I see on the diet support groups too. <br /><br />The 50% drop out rate in this new study is very typical too.<br /><br />I would love to see someone Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17384082448952856117noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-82321899991403749292009-06-19T17:52:48.945-04:002009-06-19T17:52:48.945-04:00Hi Jenny,
There was a similar paper published tod...Hi Jenny,<br /><br />There was a similar paper published today in the AJCN that lasted 12 months:<br /><br />http://www.ajcn.org/cgi/content/abstract/90/1/23?etoc<br /><br />I haven't looked at it carefully to see if they checked for ketones. <br /><br />It was also calorie-restricted. There was a trend toward greater weight loss in the ketogenic diet but it wasn't significant. They Stephan Guyenethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09218114625524777250noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-86740911677642849842009-06-19T08:16:41.479-04:002009-06-19T08:16:41.479-04:00Hadn't seen that correlation between ketones a...Hadn't seen that correlation between ketones and LDL before, that's interesting.<br /><br />Now it's common for LDL to increase on high fat diets BUT often HDL increases proportionally more. Since this and trigs (and the ratio) are more closely correlated to cardiovascular risk one wonders why it was not measured or reported (I suppose you could back-calculate from the other numbers)<Trinkwassernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30206473.post-62458482972820297162009-06-17T13:59:35.520-04:002009-06-17T13:59:35.520-04:00This study makes the same error a lot of diet stud...This study makes the same error a lot of diet studies do. It puts dieters on calorie levels which, truthfully, are far too low to test the REAL difference macronutrients have.<br /><br />If someone is restricted to 1500 cals, assuming they are getting the bare minimum of nutrients (adequate protein, adequate fats, adequate vitamins/minerals) we aren't going to see much of a difference betweenItsTheWooohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12057537399918684119noreply@blogger.com